Malaria bed nets are not getting out. So of all the health crises, this is one where the world really is in it together. They'll have large-scale diagnostic capability immediately available—which the U.S. in particular was the worst on that. Q: What phone does Bill Gates use: Microsoft, Android or iOS? It's a real acceleration there.In an interview with National Geographic’s Editor in Chief Susan Goldberg, Bill Gates explains how nations can work together to turn things around—and whydistributing a vaccine equitably among them would save hundreds of thousands of livesSo the imperative is, let's bring the epidemic to an end. The foreign aid that rich countries give has saved tens of millions of lives—things like Global Fund for HIV and Gavi, which helps buy vaccines for things like diarrhea and pneumonia. So, yes, unlike the title ofOne of the figures that really struck me was the increase in poverty. The actual direct effect of killing people in poor countries is a very small part of the overall damage that's been done. BILL GATES: Well, running a high-quality primary healthcare system, there's a lot of African countries who do that very, very well. Yikes.

HIV medicines are not getting out.

The place where it's been toughest is in Africa, where you have very high population growth and the difficulty of climate change making farming less predictable so you have years where you don’t get enough. If this pandemic had come 10 years ago, our internet bandwidth wouldn't have let us do our office jobs. [It would be] a lot more negative to say, "Oh my God, this is going to continue indefinitely." The 2020 World's Most Valuable Brands. Voices Of Success. So, it's phenomenal we can say that within a few years, with a little bit of luck on the vaccines, some generosity, and a real effort to get the word out that it's safe, this pandemic will come to a close. Bill Gates has made no bones about his deep affiliation and affection for the abortion mills at Planned Parenthood. But do you see any innovations that might come out of having to deal with this disease?

Go global. But we need to have some balance here, both the generosity to buy the vaccines for those countries to increase the manufacturing capacity—because this is more units of a vaccine than the world has ever needed—and then to help fund that availability without the rich countries taking all of that capacity.There's no doubt that in poor countries things are tough for everyone, but women bear the brunt of that. And then you get unprepared. That takes us to a discussion about vaccines, which is the only tool to do that. But the very fact that our foundation is saving a life for every thousand dollars we spend, it shows that we do treat lives outside the U.S. as not being as valuable as those lives. It's pretty extreme.As you say, in most years the reduction in malnutrition, the reduction in childhood death, the increase in literacy rates—there's this gradual progress that human life is getting better, people are living longer. Africa will have dramatically more deaths from these indirect effects than from the direct effects.And it has happened all so quickly.

Fortunately, because of science and the pharma companies jumping in, that's not the case.Bill, it's so nice to talk with you about this Goalkeepers report.

Watch the interview clip below. Bill, thank you so much for talking with us at National Geographic about your latest Goalkeepers Report.Just like in war time, we've moved quickly and tried new things. "The phone that I have, recently, I actually did switch to an Android phone with a lot of Microsoft software," Bill Gates told Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace. So, as you get this reversal into poverty, it's not equitable at all. Bill Gates: My kids didn't have cell phones till they were 14. Gates led the company as chairman and CEO until stepping down as CEO in January 2000, but he remained chairman and became chief software architect.